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tim drake, certified disaster ([personal profile] tdls) wrote2017-09-29 01:38 pm
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these idiots!

[personal profile] red_hoods 2017-10-16 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
[There's a dark cloud that passes over Jason's face when Tim continues, though how can he blame him when he asked? He'll find a way. Tim, of course, is not wrong. From the mad and sullen, to most of his words. Most, but not all.

The problem is, all of these truths and emotions are so tangled up in his head, and it's been that way for a while now. Lately, though, he's been trying to untangle it. He's been trying not to push people away. Apparently he's not doing such a great job of it. Is anyone really surprised about that, either? ]


You think I don't try? I try when I don't want to. When I shouldn't even have to.

[Sadly, that's all he's got for the moment, because his head is telling him that whatever effort they're all making is indeed bullshit. He doesn't need this. He stands up, grabbing his helmet and holds his hand out in front of Tim.]

Phone. Now.
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[personal profile] red_hoods 2017-10-16 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
[ There's the smallest hint of regret that flashes through Jason's eyes when Tim bring 'the incident' up, just like that. Guilt, regret, sadness... it all trickles back to anger for Jason and it's always been hard for him to temper it all down. Would he ever do anything like that again, though? No. Tim is wrong about that one. He doesn't try to take a swing at everyone who tries to get close to him.... Is that what Tim is trying to do?

Jason decides that he could just shove Tim away and snatch his phone back, because he doesn't have to prove anything, but that's probably a lie in and of itself. Something that he tells himself regularly, because he sure as hell isn't doing anything he does for them.

Stay isn't something Jason hears very often. He gets words hurled at him, lectures, useless apologies that are all a little too late, but no one ever has any sort of solution. No one gets that he is trying. If he jumps back out that window again, then what exactly is that saying? He's not sure, exactly, but his hand drops down and he pulls his helmet back off, giving Tim a look.]


I don't have to prove anything to you.

[Just to be clear. But he goes to sit back down anyway, leaving his helmet on the table]
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[personal profile] red_hoods 2017-10-16 04:26 am (UTC)(link)
[ In bringing it up, Jason assumes Tim really hasn't forgiven him for that at all, and he probably shouldn't. The correlation of Tim asking him to stay, even despite that, it doesn't quite register just yet. Maybe it's because like Tim said, he's so set on assuming that this is rooted in bullshit. He doesn't imagine that Tim could see his side of it, just like he is dead sure the others don't either.

In the end, Jason probably doesn't know enough about Tim. He doesn't know nearly as much about him as Tim knows about him.

He takes a steadying breath of his own, dragging his fingers through his hair, then takes his gloves off and shoves them in his jacket pocket. Alright. He's staying. He can do this. He's here for a reason, he reminds himself, and it's not just because his phone got shot off a rooftop and needed some fixing. ]


The good news is never as good as the bad news is bad. Just tell me the bad news.
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[personal profile] red_hoods 2017-10-16 05:08 am (UTC)(link)
[ Jason wouldn't want Tim to forget. Even if it would do Jason some good, that's not something that should be forgotten. He had his reasons at the time, and he felt he did what he needed to do, but that doesn't excuse his actions, same as Bruce's excuses don't excuse his actions either. Blaming Tim for any of that, though- Jason isn't stupid. He knows he was wrong.

He's still trying to figure out how to say that. It's been a month or two, now. So no, he doesn't expect it to be forgotten and he doesn't think it will be forgiven, but he's here anyway, for a number of reasons that he doesn't want to look into all that deeply. ]


Of course. Always good to have a sliver of hope and then get it taken away.

[He says dryly, sitting back against the couch. Look. The goddamn bullet was mostly not his fault??? Better than phone than him, no?]

That's definitely bad. But I was looking for an excuse to lose Harper's number anyway, so maybe there's a silver lining after all. [Nope, definitely bad] I don't use cloud storage, Tim. Where the hell am I supposed to back that up, your computer? No way.

[Look, it's not that he doesn't trust Tim, it's just that he doesn't completely trust Tim]
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[personal profile] red_hoods 2017-10-16 05:43 am (UTC)(link)
Are you sure? I've been told otherwise.

[ He didn't used to joke about his death... he used to go after Robins, so consider this a step up. He's processing in his own way. ]

And I'm supposed to just trust that you'll set all of that up and not try to access my info?

[Trust issues. Don't they all have trust issues? It's kind of part of the whole deal. Though he's pretty sure Tim would have already gotten whatever he wanted off of his phone at this point, if he really wanted to. At some point, Jason knows he's just going to let this happen, especially if Tim has a backup phone. He thinks it over while Tim goes to find it, then holds his phone back out to him.]

Fine. But this sucks. I really liked the whole bullet in phone detail. Think I can find a case like that somewhere?

[There's a joke. So soon after Jason was about to storm out of here. Tim's not completely horrible at this, it seems]
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[personal profile] red_hoods 2017-10-16 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
[ Jason assumes there will always be a compelling reason for them to get into his things. And if anything ever goes wrong between them- which is always a possibility when it comes to him and the Bats- then he'll be left wide open. ]

Yeah, it might. [Poor choice of words, but Jason won't hold it against him] If I didn't trust you a little bit, I wouldn't even be here right now, I think you know that.

[He leans against the desk as Tim gets to work, eying him. Tim must trust him too, to invite him over here. Not that Jason didn't already know where he lived and could easily get in here if he wanted to.... but this is different]

Yeah, sure. I'll start up some arts and crafts on the side. Maybe I can add some flare to my helmet, too.
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[personal profile] red_hoods 2017-10-18 12:42 pm (UTC)(link)
[ This is the kind of insecurity that Jason doesn't expect, but he probably should. He has his moments, like the earlier conversation about Bruce, and now Tim is having a moment of his own. Does he really trust Tim? Does he really trust anyone? That's a hard question to answer. Some of the time, Jason isn't even sure if he trusts himself. So even handing his phone over is a big deal. There are probably less than a handful of people he would outwardly do this with. ]

Do I seem like a tolerant person, Tim? Like I'd just sit here and tolerate you for kicks? Let me ask you this. Do you trust me?

[Does he? Or does Tim think he might be looking for a way in with the goal of finding a way to cause serious damage? He imagines they're both on the same page with this. But Tim got so offended earlier when Jason was giving him shit for running to Bruce with his Jason problems. Maybe he's trying to prove something here.

They are lucky when the delivery person gets there, cutting up their conversation- if that's what this even is.
Jason keeps his hand on the holster of one of his guns out of habit, but it's clear from a quick run down that she's not a threat, so Jason sits in Tim's chair and checks over the phones. No, he hasn't disappeared while Tim's back was turned
]
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[personal profile] red_hoods 2017-10-18 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
[ Jason feels mostly the same way as Tim does... when it comes to himself, and this situation. Navigating where he stands with Tim? It seems like there are a whole new set of rules, whether they established them or not. Jason's not big on rules and he's not big on unknown variables.

In the end, Jason feels like that checkered history is always going to stand in his way. That when it comes down to it, Bruce, Grayson, even Tim, they won't be able to look past it. This is the insecurity he gets stuck on the most, and he doesn't like it. It shouldn't matter to him... but it does.

He tries not to toy with the phones while he waits. He's pretty sure if he tries to pry that bullet out of there, the whole thing will short circuit. He looks up at Tim when he comes back over to him, and the kid seems sincere enough. It's the same thing Jason just said to Tim minutes ago.]


So when I say the same thing, why don't you believe me?

[He snags the bag, looking inside, then stands up, right into Tim's space]

You want to tear yourself away from the computer for a few minutes and sit and eat with me? [He points to the table]
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[personal profile] red_hoods 2017-10-20 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
[ Tim's always been a brave one, Jason knows that without question. He's always been impressed, even if he's had a shit way of showing it. He probably still does. But this is less about being brave and more about this possibly definitive trust forming between them. Can he trust that? (trusting the trust, only Bats would double down with a question something like that).

Unattainable. Hard to reach. Jason's pretty sure he works hard to maintain all of that, whether on purpose, or not.]


And what, you want to reach me?

[He eyes Tim's face, brows furrowing just slightly. He can't decipher this look. Has he ever been close enough to even try? It's not such a bad thing, being this close, but his first instinct is definitely to squash it, so when Tim moves away first, he's somewhat relieved]

Next time I'm bringing a case of beer.

[Next time? Did he just.... shit. He clears his throat and moves to the table, taking his burger and fries out of the bag. Maybe they can just ignore the next time. It's just a figure of speech]

Water is fine. Burgers don't go with coffee. Besides, you'll be wired all night.
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[personal profile] red_hoods 2017-10-20 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
[ Has Tim always wanted to reach him? Jason's been too stuck in his head to really think about it like that. What did Tim say... something about fighting so hard to push people away. ]

Reach me to punch me, maybe. We never really had more to work with than that.

[Which is his fault, he's sure. Bruce's fault as well, but he's tired of giving the man so much credit. If this is Tim reaching out, maybe it's finally working]

Beer is good with just about anything. Whiskey is even better.

[He eyes Tim, who seems perfectly content with letting his words slide and he definitely has to give him credit for that one. Nothing weird here, nope. He sits down and digs into his burger like he hasn't eaten for a week]
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[personal profile] red_hoods 2017-10-22 09:40 am (UTC)(link)
Now that's a lie, because I know you've probably wanted to punch me at least twice tonight.

[What better way to deal with that frustration than punching someone? Especially if that frustration is standing right in front of you? Sure, Jason probably doesn't have a better grip on the other ways and punching is something he knows how to do best, so that's his default reaction for the most part. They've gotten into it often enough where it wouldn't be anywhere close to a surprising thing.

Tim shuts people out, but Jason is here now, so maybe that's progress. Maybe this is that something more they can work with. He may think Tim might want to punch him, but he also knows they're not strangers anymore.

Moving from the past to the future is something Jason's pretty new at as well. He's been holding on to it all so deep in his heart, letting it burn a hole there for years. He's tired of it and he keeps coming back here to Gotham no matter how much he tries to stay away. For now, though, the present is filled with burgers and beer, and he can leave his existential crisis behind for a while
]

Would you even know the difference? The cheapest, strongest beer is usually fine for me. Whatever's on tap, I'm not picky. When I drink whiskey? I drink Redemption Rye. Mostly because it makes me laugh.
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[personal profile] red_hoods 2017-10-23 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
[Jeez, Tim is touchy tonight. Or is it every night? Jason isn't sure. If he bugs him more often, maybe he'll find out. Though it seems like he's doing a good enough job of getting Tim all exasperated already. ]

Will you relax? I was kidding. You're not making this very easy, you know. I came over when you offered help, I'm letting you fix my phone, I'm sitting here eating with you, talking about beer and you're getting all... [he waves a hand at Tim. Whatever this mood is, that's what's happening and it can't all be Jason, can it?]

It was the Redemption Rye, wasn't it. Okay, so that's not funny. No Redemption jokes, got it.

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